1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,060 9-1-1, what's your emergency? 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,340 Hello? I need help. I'm trapped here. 3 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:12,820 Hello? 4 00:00:13,300 --> 00:00:14,840 It's dark. Help. 5 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:15,700 Ma'am? 6 00:00:16,220 --> 00:00:16,660 Please. 7 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:18,680 Ma'am, are you still there? 8 00:00:22,940 --> 00:00:24,180 Hey, how you doing? 9 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:25,920 They just put it right there. 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,080 You, uh, you don't look so happy to see me. 11 00:00:30,220 --> 00:00:33,000 I, no, I just, I want to just get this case behind me. 12 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,260 If today's not a good day. 13 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:35,820 No, it's great. Not a problem. Not a problem. 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Great. Let's start at the beginning, then. 15 00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:39,500 When did you meet Abigail Turney? 16 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:43,320 Uh, that was a few years ago when she showed up at my door 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,300 pretending to be pregnant with my grandchild. 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,080 Excuse me? 19 00:00:46,420 --> 00:00:48,980 Abigail and my son Henry met in college. 20 00:00:49,140 --> 00:00:51,480 They got engaged, you know, fast. 21 00:00:52,740 --> 00:00:53,540 Very fast. 22 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:56,820 Her way of, uh, breaking the news to me was to, uh, go bigger. 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,560 But, um, despite that introduction, I w-I was charmed by her. 24 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,500 She-she had, uh, walked a tough road, but she had grit. 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,080 She was resourceful and driven, and I-I admire that. 26 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:11,700 So she and Henry are no longer together? 27 00:01:11,860 --> 00:01:14,460 Yeah, she broke off the engagement, but, uh, it was amicable. 28 00:01:14,740 --> 00:01:17,020 You arranged for Abigail to have a ride-along with the LAPD? 29 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:17,380 Yes. 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Yeah, she was considering police work. 31 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:21,340 I take it that didn't work out. 32 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:22,120 Leave her alone! 33 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:22,600 Hey! 34 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,920 It did not. 35 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,640 And then six months ago, she was reported missing. 36 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,220 What exactly happened to Abigail? 37 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:34,700 Look, if you're gonna get to the bottom of what happened to that poor girl, 38 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:36,580 you're gonna have to have an open mind. 39 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,700 A very open mind. 40 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:41,220 Hey! 41 00:01:44,220 --> 00:01:44,740 Ah! 42 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:45,340 Police! 43 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:47,380 I wonder when that happened. 44 00:01:47,380 --> 00:01:50,360 Oh, my God. 45 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:50,960 Hello? 46 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,160 Can you hear me? 47 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,220 When did you get involved in the case? 48 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:55,440 Uh, not immediately. 49 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Most missing persons cases aren't really cases. 50 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,180 They're a roommate who got too drunk at a bar and slept it off in his truck, 51 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:05,260 or a college student whose cell phone ran out of battery. 52 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:09,740 You know, most of the time, they show up unharmed and confused about all the fuss. 53 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:11,200 But this wasn't like that, was it? 54 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:11,580 No. 55 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:17,680 After a few days of follow-up calls, we sent officers by Miss Tyranny's apartment for a wellness check. 56 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Thanks again for doing this. 57 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,280 Always a pleasure to see my favorite couple. 58 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,300 Let's keep this professional. 59 00:02:23,860 --> 00:02:24,640 Trouble in paradise? 60 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:29,040 Sorry, I'm moving on. 61 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:31,300 What did you find at Abigail's apartment? 62 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:32,040 Very little. 63 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,360 I mean, no signs of a struggle. 64 00:02:33,580 --> 00:02:37,120 Well, there was no sign of her or her film equipment, but we did find her laptop. 65 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:37,620 Hold on. 66 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,240 Film equipment? 67 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,560 Abigail was making a movie? 68 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,020 Yes. 69 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,740 I should be safe here. 70 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:48,180 Why are they doing this? 71 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Go. 72 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,080 I'll try to buy some time. 73 00:02:51,080 --> 00:03:15,020 I only saw an early cut. 74 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,660 Could have used a bit more gore, if you ask me. 75 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:18,320 I didn't. 76 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,960 I asked why you thought Abigail's case was so compelling. 77 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,020 Oh, right. 78 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:28,620 Uh, because her Hollywood dream had become a Hollywood nightmare. 79 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:33,700 Would you like me to take that again? 80 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,400 I really wouldn't. 81 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,260 When you searched Abigail's laptop, did you find anything on it? 82 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Yeah, it was filled with all of these unanswered messages. 83 00:03:40,380 --> 00:03:41,020 Nasty ones. 84 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:46,060 The more we investigated, it became clear that Abigail had a lot of people angry with her. 85 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:46,700 Like who? 86 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:47,980 Okay, thank you. 87 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:48,840 Thanks, Steve. 88 00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:50,380 Spielberg. 89 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:51,960 He's an old friend. 90 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:52,700 I bet. 91 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:55,180 How did you get involved with Abigail Tierney? 92 00:03:55,540 --> 00:04:03,020 Oh, well, you know, we're always looking to discover and nurture the next generation of unheard voices. 93 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:05,720 Abigail sent in a very compelling pitch video. 94 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:12,900 Terror isn't something that happens to you. 95 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:19,840 I mean, it's not every day you find a writer, director, and star with that much, um, poise. 96 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:25,340 L.P.D. was one of those visionary, artist-driven pictures that, uh, we pride ourselves on making. 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,900 And they're the cheapest, too, right? 98 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:31,180 Well, hey, you know, the lower the budget, the higher the profit, if it's a hit. 99 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,680 But the budget became an issue. 100 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:40,160 Yeah, um, Abigail pitched us a straightforward horror flick, but, uh, she kept changing directions. 101 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:40,980 Please! 102 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:47,820 The reshoot started piling up. 103 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:52,160 And, uh, we had to pull the plug on the project. 104 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,320 What about nurturing a new generation of talent? 105 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:57,400 Wait, look, there's-there's nurturing and there's indulging. 106 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,140 I'm a businessman. 107 00:04:58,460 --> 00:04:59,380 There's no hard feelings. 108 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:00,080 Really? 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,300 Because I have an email from you with the subject line, 110 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,840 Where the hell is my money, you lying sack? 111 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:05,960 Uh, okay, yeah, fine. 112 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,860 Yeah, few hard feelings. 113 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,120 But they were nothing compared to some of those new producers she found. 114 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,740 Those guys weren't playing around. 115 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Well, without the production company, Abigail had to turn to crowdfunding. 116 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,200 When Nolan passed along Abigail's pitch video, I figured, hey, I've always loved scary movies. 117 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,400 And what's the point of having a husband with a trust fund if you can't use it to support the arts? 118 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,200 And it wasn't just money, was it? 119 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:28,940 No. 120 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,860 I-I promise I'll-I'll pay! 121 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:32,500 I'll pay the fine! 122 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,520 Ah! 123 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,440 All right, still rolling. 124 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Reset. 125 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,240 Bravo! 126 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:40,160 Bravo! 127 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:44,480 So Abigail hires you to compose music for her film. 128 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,080 What was it like to work with her? 129 00:05:46,460 --> 00:05:46,900 Complicated. 130 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,720 She's very opinionated, which I respect. 131 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,300 I tried not to take it personally when she kept throwing out all the music I was writing, 132 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,160 But then when she completely disappeared and stopped answering my phone calls... 133 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,700 That must have stung. 134 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,740 It did until I learned that she walked off set and ghosted everybody, not just me. 135 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:04,780 Then I got worried about her. 136 00:06:05,340 --> 00:06:06,700 I do wish she paid me, though. 137 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:07,840 Hold up. 138 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:09,700 You didn't get paid? 139 00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:11,540 Did you count experience? 140 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:14,080 But it didn't provide you with the breakthrough you hoped. 141 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Look, even though a lot of crowdfunders were furious that the rewards were going unfulfilled, 142 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:20,100 their anger didn't manifest into a concrete threat. 143 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,900 From the suspect's perspective, we were back to square one. 144 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,100 Until we discovered that Abigail had made several trips up to Pelican Bay. 145 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:26,880 The prison? 146 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,540 Yes. 147 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:28,460 To visit who? 148 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:29,420 A serial killer. 149 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:31,420 Liam Glasser. 150 00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:35,400 In news that should bring some relief to the Southland, 151 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,480 the LAPD have announced a major arrest charging Lincoln Heights native Liam Glasser 152 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,160 with the murder of ten victims found buried near the Sepulveda Dam. 153 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,600 Our investigation into Glasser was a challenge. 154 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,260 He used another serial killer, Harrison Novak, as cover for his crimes, 155 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:56,540 stashing his victims in Novak's burial ground. 156 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,940 It wasn't until we caught Glasser attempting to murder a new victim 157 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:03,060 that we were finally able to put him behind bars. 158 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:10,220 Before we start, I just want to make very clear that I'm an innocent man 159 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:16,360 and the subject of an extraordinary campaign of harassment by the LAPD, 160 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,160 particularly Detective Nyla Harper. 161 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,360 You've been charged with the murder of ten people. 162 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Those horrific allegations have not been proven in a court of law, 163 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,340 and they never will be. 164 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:30,180 You've also been charged with jury tampering. 165 00:07:30,420 --> 00:07:32,680 Like, if you're just going to railroad me like the police, 166 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:33,700 then this interview is over. 167 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,440 Hold on, hold on. 168 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:38,160 I'm not here to talk about any of that. 169 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:39,100 I want to talk about Abigail. 170 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:40,540 Why didn't she come see you? 171 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,460 To learn about Westview. 172 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,720 Westview Psychiatric Hospital was at the center of Glasser's case. 173 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:51,400 He was a patient? 174 00:07:51,660 --> 00:07:55,040 No, no, but his vending machine company supplied the hospital, 175 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,120 and he was in and out of there for almost two decades. 176 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,000 It's where he crossed paths with Harrison Novak, 177 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,880 and where he found another patient, Ryan Dearborn, to serve as a Patsy. 178 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,220 He used an abandoned building at the Psych Hospital complex to torture and kill his victims. 179 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,220 Did Abigail ask about the abandoned ward? 180 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:12,800 Yes. 181 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,720 But I couldn't help her much because I've never been there myself. 182 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:17,940 Obviously not. 183 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,220 But I told her what I'd heard. 184 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,320 That the place was haunted, which is obviously crazy. 185 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:28,200 But, um, when I was a kid, I would join my father on his service calls to Westview. 186 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,700 He always told me to stay away from that building. 187 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:36,120 Something inside clearly scared the hell out of him. 188 00:08:37,380 --> 00:08:39,260 And he was not a superstitious man. 189 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:45,240 The thing that we couldn't understand was how Abigail had found out about Glasser's connection to the psych ward in the first place. 190 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,440 It wasn't public knowledge? 191 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:49,080 No, we kept those details away from the press deliberately. 192 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,080 The only people who knew were Glasser and the police, 193 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,480 and obviously Glasser wouldn't admit to being down there. 194 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:55,320 Which means? 195 00:08:55,460 --> 00:08:59,260 What they don't tell you about making movies is that it's really boring. 196 00:08:59,260 --> 00:09:00,700 It's worse than surveillance. 197 00:09:01,180 --> 00:09:04,580 Anyway, Abigail and I got to talking about my recent casework, 198 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:08,340 and it's possible I may have mentioned something about the psych ward. 199 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:13,120 From Abigail's notes, we gathered that she essentially abandoned her movie for a new project. 200 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:14,820 That was shortly after a meeting with Glasser. 201 00:09:14,980 --> 00:09:20,320 Yeah, she felt that fictional storytelling was disconnected from real, lived experience. 202 00:09:20,620 --> 00:09:23,480 So that's when she decided to make a true crime documentary about Westview. 203 00:09:29,260 --> 00:09:34,900 Westview Psychiatric Hospital opened in 1953. 204 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:38,280 It started as a model of modern, humane care. 205 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:39,560 But what lies beneath? 206 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,900 The deeper I dug, the more horrors I unearthed. 207 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,340 Mysteries that defied explanation. 208 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,100 How can one hospital spawn two serial killers? 209 00:09:49,780 --> 00:09:53,020 Some might say it's bad luck, but I don't believe in bad luck. 210 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Mm-mm. 211 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,540 I think there's something rotten here. 212 00:09:57,100 --> 00:09:58,380 Original sin. 213 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,980 And I'm gonna prove it. 214 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,820 The footage on Abigail's hard drive shows her inside Westview's abandoned ward. 215 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:05,960 Was that open to the public? 216 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:06,500 No. 217 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:10,280 After LAPD and FBI finished processing the scene, 218 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,260 the hospital put up a razor wire fence, 219 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,040 hired a security guard for 24-hour surveillance to keep intruders up. 220 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,520 But that clearly didn't work. 221 00:10:18,020 --> 00:10:18,320 Clearly. 222 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,000 So we sent a patrol unit to check in with the guard. 223 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:21,940 Mr. Dewaler! 224 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:22,820 Yeah? 225 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:25,660 We're investigating the disappearance of Abigail Tierney. 226 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Ah. 227 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:29,180 Oh, hey! 228 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,860 Hey! 229 00:10:51,140 --> 00:10:51,700 Stop! 230 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,180 Hands behind your back. 231 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:55,560 Hands behind your back. 232 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,880 At first, Carl Ditwiler claimed he did nothing wrong, 233 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,720 that he never met Abigail. 234 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,780 This is it. 235 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:04,960 But when he searched his office, 236 00:11:05,260 --> 00:11:07,060 it was clear he was lying. 237 00:11:12,180 --> 00:11:14,220 Uh, Nolan? 238 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:18,200 Oh, no. 239 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,040 Abigail had become his obsession. 240 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Oh. 241 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Yeah. 242 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:28,460 Things didn't look good for Mr. Ditwiler. 243 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:29,540 And based on his board, 244 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,600 it was clear he had become obsessed with Abigail. 245 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,900 And, you know, maybe she rejected his advances 246 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:36,120 and things went sideways. 247 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,660 It was sobering. 248 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:41,140 I held out hopes that Abigail might still be alive, 249 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:43,300 but I've been on the job long enough to know 250 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:45,180 that the odds were against that. 251 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,700 Do you know how they first crossed paths? 252 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,380 Actually, it was Abigail that first initiated contact. 253 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,980 She was researching the abandoned psych ward 254 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:53,720 for a documentary, 255 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:56,440 and Carl was the nighttime security guard. 256 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,460 She wanted access on the DL, 257 00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:01,140 and she reached out and she... 258 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,680 Slirted. 259 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,080 Slirted. 260 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,460 She flirted with him, 261 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,900 and he agreed to let her in. 262 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,280 I just showed her around. 263 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,060 I told her some stories, 264 00:12:09,060 --> 00:12:11,580 things that had gone on there back in the day. 265 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,400 She was impressed. 266 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:14,100 She actually asked me to help her 267 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:15,380 with her documentary. 268 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:16,700 Said she'd give me a credit on the film. 269 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,080 Single card. 270 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,760 If you're innocent, why'd you run? 271 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:21,780 Because I get what it looks like. 272 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:22,900 I was the last person to see her 273 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:23,620 before she disappeared. 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,040 How do you know that? 275 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:29,460 Because I watched the darkness swallow her up. 276 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:30,980 You know, I bet they were doing 277 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:33,100 all kinds of sick things to patients back in the day. 278 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:35,040 Things that would be illegal now. 279 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Yeah. 280 00:12:36,020 --> 00:12:36,500 Yeah, I know. 281 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,000 They used to do lobotomies. 282 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,340 One of the orderlies told me about it. 283 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,040 He's worked here for, like, forever. 284 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,880 You think you could introduce me to him? 285 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:45,780 Uh... 286 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:47,000 Yeah, I guess. 287 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Uh, just obviously, 288 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,000 I can't tell him that I've let you in here. 289 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:52,420 Come on, Carl. 290 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:54,420 I would never rat you out. 291 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:56,540 We're friends, right? 292 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Did you hear that? 293 00:12:58,820 --> 00:12:59,500 We're friends. 294 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:01,800 Ah! 295 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,840 Do you hear that? 296 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:07,340 What? No. 297 00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:09,720 That noise, it's a weird, 298 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,980 sort of beautiful sound. 299 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,280 You really don't hear it? 300 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:13,680 No. 301 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:14,880 No, but this building makes 302 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,000 all kinds of weird noises. 303 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:17,420 Hey, I just gotta go back 304 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:19,000 to the main building, Radio Security, 305 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,140 let them know if I'm at my post. 306 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:20,680 You go ahead. 307 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:21,640 I'm gonna go check this out. 308 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:22,800 Uh... 309 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,380 What did you make of the sound 310 00:13:25,380 --> 00:13:26,420 Abigail described? 311 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:27,680 We weren't sure. 312 00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:29,480 I mean, Carl claimed to have never heard it. 313 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,960 It's possible that she was faking 314 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,440 to juice up her documentary. 315 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,240 We've actually analyzed 316 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,280 some of the audio files 317 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,180 from Carl's video, 318 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,700 isolated the low-end frequencies. 319 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Here. 320 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:42,700 What is that? 321 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:44,680 I was hoping you could tell me. 322 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:45,820 It sounds... 323 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:46,980 Bhamonic. 324 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,340 Is that even a frequency humans can hear? 325 00:13:49,660 --> 00:13:50,720 Not technically, no. 326 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Well, whatever she heard or didn't hear, 327 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,540 Abigail kept searching. 328 00:13:59,860 --> 00:14:00,800 Sure about this? 329 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Yeah, I'll be right back. 330 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:02,640 Hello? 331 00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:03,900 Hello? 332 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:05,840 Can you hear me? 333 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,480 And that was the last anyone had seen her. 334 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,140 But Carl could have just turned off his camera 335 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:12,380 and then killed Abigail, right? 336 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,480 We couldn't rule him out as a suspect, 337 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:17,360 but we only had circumstantial evidence against him. 338 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:18,720 And as we went through the footage 339 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,720 on Abigail's laptop, 340 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:21,440 we discovered that flirting with Carl 341 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,600 wasn't her only extreme research tactic. 342 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:24,860 I'm gonna start this. 343 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:27,460 Should I turn into it? 344 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,200 I'm gonna turn into it. 345 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,400 Okay. 346 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,140 I'm back at Westview. 347 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,600 And if I'm gonna learn more 348 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,320 about how the old psych ward operated, 349 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,120 I'm gonna need to see their files. 350 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Obviously, I can't just walk around filming people, so... 351 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,780 It's a camp. 352 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:46,980 See? 353 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:49,220 Okay. 354 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:52,620 Wish me luck. 355 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:58,620 Abigail had Carl lure the director away from her office 356 00:14:58,620 --> 00:15:00,720 so Abigail could sneak inside. 357 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Yeah, I mean, seeing Rachel's name in Abigail's footage 358 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,320 was definitely a shock. 359 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:25,640 You both have a history with Ms. Hall, is that right? 360 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Yes. 361 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,400 So, uh, she and I went to college together, 362 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,280 and, um, her and Tim... 363 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,000 I'm sorry. 364 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:34,480 Yeah, we used to date. 365 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,300 Before or after you two. 366 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:37,820 Okay, next question. 367 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,580 I'm simply trying to establish a timeline. 368 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:41,500 No problem. 369 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,720 I'll just ask her later. 370 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,180 I, uh, worked in the psych ward at Westview for a year 371 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:48,800 while getting my social work degree. 372 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,180 It was, um, challenging. 373 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:51,980 How so? 374 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,640 Uh, for one thing, 375 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,960 the, uh, patients would often arrive at the facility 376 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,540 with, say, a diagnosis of mild depression. 377 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:00,840 And a week later, 378 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,500 they'd start to exhibit disordered thinking. 379 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:05,720 Eventually, they might become violent. 380 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,020 The decompensation was sudden and acute. 381 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:10,740 You're saying they would get worse, not better. 382 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,720 Yes, and conventional treatments seem to never work. 383 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:16,680 Someone suggested, uh, supernatural presence at Westview. 384 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,180 Could that have impacted the patients? 385 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,600 Uh, well, just because the doctors at Westview 386 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,740 couldn't find a cause for our patients' behavior 387 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:25,220 doesn't mean there isn't one. 388 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Maybe it's just beyond the capabilities 389 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,040 of modern science to discover. 390 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:30,480 Or maybe it's demons? 391 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,860 Uh, there are no demons at Westview. 392 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 There are totally demons at Westview. 393 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,440 Well, what's another explanation 394 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,260 for everything that's happened? 395 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:43,040 We got Liam Glasser, Harrison Novak, 396 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:45,000 and most recently, uh, Ava... 397 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Maxwell. 398 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,180 Ava Maxwell and Charlotte Russell. 399 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,500 This man came out in a big overcoat, 400 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:52,220 black mask, big knife. 401 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:52,940 Hang on a moment. 402 00:16:53,140 --> 00:16:54,720 I know that Ava and Charlotte 403 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,900 were never treated at Westview, 404 00:16:55,940 --> 00:16:56,700 so what's the connection? 405 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:57,540 Oh, you didn't hear. 406 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,280 Charlotte's nanny was a patient there 407 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,080 when she was a teenager. 408 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:02,480 Yes, yes, I was at Westview. 409 00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:05,880 I had, um, been having thoughts of self-harm, 410 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,860 acting out. 411 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:08,340 My family was very concerned, 412 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,020 so they arranged for me 413 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:11,400 to receive the best care available. 414 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,560 And did the treatment help? 415 00:17:12,820 --> 00:17:13,760 Not at first. 416 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,260 I'd been experiencing a... 417 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:19,120 a darkness that I had never felt before, 418 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,660 and at first I fought it. 419 00:17:20,820 --> 00:17:22,080 And then I realized that struggling 420 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,540 only made everything worse, 421 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:25,480 and once I accepted it, 422 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,180 that's when things started to get better. 423 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,220 And I left Westview, 424 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,300 and I finished school, 425 00:17:29,820 --> 00:17:32,420 and I eventually made a little life for myself. 426 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:34,740 You were the nanny for the Russell family. 427 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:37,800 Yes, so Charlotte and I were very, very close. 428 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,440 Well, I know that everyone's saying 429 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,540 just the worst things about her right now, 430 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:45,240 but in my eyes, 431 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,500 she is a poised and gifted young woman, 432 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,500 and I'd like to think that I had a small hand in that. 433 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:53,180 As odd as it was to find that connection, 434 00:17:53,260 --> 00:17:54,860 it was just one of those weird coincidences, 435 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:55,560 nothing more. 436 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,940 Charlotte Russell convinced her friend, Ava, 437 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,340 to help her stab their other friend, Grace, there. 438 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Her actions were her own. 439 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,060 They're not inspired by some nanny 440 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:05,480 with a history of mental illness 441 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,260 or some demon in a computer 442 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:08,600 that convinced Charlotte to do it. 443 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,620 I'm sorry, computer demon? 444 00:18:10,940 --> 00:18:12,500 Zuzu is not a demon. 445 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:13,980 Not a demon. It's an AI. 446 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,040 Charlotte fed Zuzu information 447 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,320 about herself and her friends, 448 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:18,320 and based on that, 449 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,500 Zuzu told Charlotte what it thought she wanted to hear. 450 00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:22,700 Zuzu also helped you. 451 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,960 Isn't that right, Officer Nolan? 452 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,300 It mentioned something to me about a watch. 453 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:28,560 You spoke to it? 454 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Hello, friend of John Nolan. 455 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,580 Hi. Should I call you Zuzu? 456 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,060 If you want to. 457 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:35,800 Do you need help with something? 458 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,080 Perhaps a topic for a new project. 459 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:40,080 Your last few have struggled. 460 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:41,320 They've done fine, thanks, 461 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,640 but I actually want to talk to you 462 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,020 about Westview Psychiatric. 463 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:46,200 John was interested in the two. 464 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,600 That young woman, Abigail, went missing there. 465 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Are you saying the police asked you to help find her? 466 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,840 No, but they needed my help anyway, 467 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,620 and a good friend doesn't wait to be asked. 468 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,540 Zuzu did send me a message. 469 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,240 What did it say? 470 00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:03,320 It told me that Abigail was in room 666. 471 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:05,940 The number of the beast? 472 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:10,860 Look, the facility had no room 666, 473 00:19:11,020 --> 00:19:12,160 and Zuzu isn't a demon. 474 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,180 We were at a complete dead end, 475 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:15,900 and we were running out of time. 476 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,560 Abigail had been gone for 11 days. 477 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,120 The odds of finding her alive were getting worse. 478 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,880 Yeah, we were out of options 479 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,120 until the 911 call came in. 480 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:27,400 Apparently, there were suspicious noises 481 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,060 and lights coming from this abandoned wing, 482 00:19:30,220 --> 00:19:32,040 so we went to check it out. 483 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:36,360 Police! 484 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,260 Coming in! 485 00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:39,080 Control 7-Adam 100. 486 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:40,540 No signs of break-in here. 487 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,680 Did RP say where they saw the light? 488 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,220 I think the radio's blocked. 489 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,400 I had some idiot kids trying to scare each other. 490 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:48,940 Yeah. 491 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:51,760 When was the last time it rained? 492 00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:53,280 Like a month ago. Why? 493 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:55,680 Oh. 494 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,740 Walls are wet. 495 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,560 Yeah. 496 00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:03,000 What is this place? 497 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:04,540 And how did you two get involved? 498 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,860 Uh, Selena and I were about to clock out 499 00:20:06,860 --> 00:20:07,600 when we got the call. 500 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,840 God, I hate this place. 501 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:12,640 How many messed up things have to happen 502 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,860 before they tear it down? 503 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,340 Apparently, the ownership is under dispute. 504 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:18,560 Westview says that they hold the deed, 505 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,400 but then there's this claim by this Lucifer. 506 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,600 Lucifer? 507 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,040 Lucifer. 508 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:27,040 Oh, my God. 509 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,500 You're messing with me. 510 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,200 Yes, I am. 511 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:30,840 Come on, let's go find Tim and Lucy 512 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,640 and get out of here. 513 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Don't step in there. 514 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:33,360 Oh, what? 515 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:44,840 Did you see that? 516 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Someone's flashlight? 517 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,520 And that? 518 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,000 I do not know what that was. 519 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,060 Oh. 520 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,660 Police, show us your hands. 521 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,180 No! 522 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,940 We have permission to be here. 523 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,480 That's not totally true. 524 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:18,780 No. 525 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:19,720 All right. 526 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,020 Unfortunately, gentlemen, you are trespassing. 527 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:23,100 You're going to have to come with us. 528 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,340 What are you doing here? 529 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:27,980 Filming an episode, sir? 530 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:28,740 Ghost files. 531 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:30,200 I love you guys. 532 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:31,980 What is ghost files? 533 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Welcome to Ghost Files, 534 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,820 where we take your evidence and our tools 535 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:38,040 into the field to expose the supernatural. 536 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:40,040 My partner, a skeptic. 537 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:41,560 Myself, a believer. 538 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,480 Both of us, truth seekers. 539 00:21:43,940 --> 00:21:46,520 This week, our team has traveled to Los Angeles, California 540 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,140 to explore a condemned psychiatric facility. 541 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,900 Now, in 1841, this was the site of a Spanish barracks, 542 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,020 but a massive earthquake swallowed the building, 543 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,500 killing everyone inside. 544 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,380 Many saw the event as retribution 545 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:00,620 for Spanish crimes committed in the New World. 546 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:01,960 Sure. 547 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,480 Or an earthquake happened in a region prone to earthquakes. 548 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,080 But that's just the beginning of this site's dark history. 549 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,700 Join us as we investigate. 550 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,700 At that time, did you believe the facility was haunted? 551 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:15,280 No. 552 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:15,500 Yes. 553 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,220 You were filming there, too. 554 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,320 Did you experience any temperature fluctuations 555 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,100 or anything like that? 556 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:22,720 I'll ask the questions if you don't mind. 557 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,400 We do. 558 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:26,120 But this is my documentary. 559 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,460 No, this is our YouTube show. 560 00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:32,820 Yeah, so ghosts are said to produce electromagnetic interference. 561 00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:35,020 Did you experience any trouble with your equipment? 562 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:40,040 We're done here. 563 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Let's cut. 564 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,300 Let's wrap this up. 565 00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:45,540 Nice. 566 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Yeah. 567 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,960 All of you, let's go. 568 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:48,400 Come on. 569 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:49,320 No, no way. 570 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:51,220 This is some of the best footage we've ever gotten. 571 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:52,100 Listen to this. 572 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:52,700 What is that? 573 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,780 Well, it's a spirit box. 574 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,000 Did you guys hear anything? 575 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:56,140 A spirit box? 576 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:59,160 The spirit box rapidly scans radio signals 577 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,740 to create white noise through which spirits can communicate. 578 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:03,480 Hello? 579 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:05,540 See? 580 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:07,040 It's science. 581 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:08,700 Listen. 582 00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:12,460 Okay. 583 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:12,840 Okay. 584 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,280 That's enough. 585 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,040 Look, we got to go. 586 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,700 No, wait, wait, wait. 587 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:15,520 I heard something. 588 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,540 Can you turn it up? 589 00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:23,820 Help me? 590 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:26,140 That is not what I heard. 591 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:26,940 Whoa. 592 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,720 Uh, who do you think it is? 593 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:29,920 It's feedback. 594 00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:31,100 It's a ghost. 595 00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:34,000 It was a little clearer down the hallway. 596 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,640 Show me. 597 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,640 Officer. 598 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,220 So we're just going to give up on Tim and Lucy then? 599 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:44,040 How long have we been in here? 600 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:47,760 This room? 601 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:48,760 Yeah. 602 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,460 I don't know. 603 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,200 We've been here for a while, right? 604 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,340 Yeah. 605 00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:56,360 I mean, I don't mind if I'm good. 606 00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:58,160 Like, really good. 607 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,100 Mm-hmm. 608 00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:03,540 Do you think we've been drugged? 609 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,300 Oh, the wet walls. 610 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,100 We touched them. 611 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,000 Yeah. 612 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:12,240 I hate making mistakes in front of you. 613 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,640 Oh, you've never admitted that before. 614 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Truth serum. 615 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:19,560 Sodium pentothal. 616 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,240 Yeah. 617 00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:21,920 You know what? 618 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:26,660 We, we should keep quiet until this wears off. 619 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:27,260 No. 620 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:27,760 Yeah. 621 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:28,520 No. 622 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:29,220 It's better for us. 623 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:29,940 No. 624 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,680 What is, um, your most embarrassing memory? 625 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:37,620 I mean, third grade. 626 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:38,720 Uh-huh. 627 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,140 I snuck my hamster into my classroom in my pants. 628 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:43,720 Uh-huh. 629 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,060 I... 630 00:24:44,060 --> 00:25:01,140 With that kind of dad, you internalize the message that if you fail, you deserve to be punished. 631 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:07,100 And without him to punish me, I, I guess I punished myself. 632 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,760 By breaking up with me? 633 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:09,540 Yep. 634 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:10,420 Mm-hmm. 635 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:13,000 I mean, it's kind of flattering, right? 636 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,220 It's the worst thing I could think to do to myself. 637 00:25:15,580 --> 00:25:18,320 You didn't punish just yourself, though. 638 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:19,180 I know. 639 00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:23,980 And look, if you've never fully forgiven me, I totally understand. 640 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:26,260 I have already forgiven you. 641 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,640 It's not even. 642 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:31,920 Huh. 643 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:34,400 I wonder when that happened. 644 00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:36,620 You can't put that in the documentary. 645 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,900 The LAPD makes all body cam footage available to the public. 646 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:41,280 This is obviously an exception. 647 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,780 We were drugged. 648 00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:45,940 I, people, people say all sorts of things when they've been drugged. 649 00:25:46,220 --> 00:25:47,560 So you didn't mean what you said. 650 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:51,800 What about the potential baby names you discussed? 651 00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:52,860 Okay, we're done here. 652 00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:53,120 Yeah. 653 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,600 Why do we keep agreeing to do this? 654 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:54,940 I don't know. 655 00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:55,520 Excuse me. 656 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,120 Okay, you have to admit, that's a voice asking for help. 657 00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:02,760 Yeah, sure, I heard it, but it's one of their crew members or something pre-recorded. 658 00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:03,840 Were you a patient here? 659 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,260 Is the demon with you? 660 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,040 Somebody covered up a door. 661 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,620 What year did you die? 662 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:15,980 What's up, guys? 663 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:16,460 Okay. 664 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,800 Watch out. 665 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:22,940 Ready? 666 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:22,960 Ready? 667 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:23,360 Go. 668 00:26:24,020 --> 00:26:24,680 Oh, wow. 669 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,400 Avacate. 670 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,480 I've been trapped in here for so long. 671 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:34,020 I thought I was going to die. 672 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Oh, my God. 673 00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:37,120 What is this room? 674 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:38,900 Yeah, but why did they wall it all off? 675 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,880 To trap the demon. 676 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:40,380 Yeah. 677 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,360 Bartleby. 678 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,580 The terrifying demon king of paperwork. 679 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:45,800 How did you get down here? 680 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:53,120 I was exploring, following this weird, beautiful noise, when all of a sudden it got cold, like 681 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,740 so, so cold, and I could feel something coming after me, and I was scared. 682 00:26:57,740 --> 00:27:02,880 So I hid behind a cabinet, but the floor was wet and rusted, and it collapsed. 683 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,300 I couldn't climb back out. 684 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,560 You fell from there? 685 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:06,480 Are you okay? 686 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,960 I think I twisted my ankle, but I feel no pain. 687 00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:11,400 You've been missing for two weeks. 688 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,540 How the hell did you survive? 689 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:13,700 Oh. 690 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,760 I had a bunch of trail mix in my bag. 691 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680 Plus, I found, like, this ancient water jug in one of the cabinets. 692 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,920 Plus, Bob. 693 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,200 Bob had power bars. 694 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:27,700 Bob had power bars. 695 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,360 Bob? 696 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,960 Oh, oh, God. 697 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,880 If it wasn't for Bob, I would have lost my mind down here. 698 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,820 Don't be shy, Bob. 699 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:36,660 Say hello. 700 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:46,320 Abigail was safe, and, uh, considering what she'd been through, uh, relatively healthy. 701 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,860 Except for her mental state. 702 00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:51,380 That did pose some questions. 703 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,440 At first, I was angry, you know? 704 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:57,020 Like, we're stuck down here together, at least try and have a conversation. 705 00:27:57,340 --> 00:28:00,320 And then I realized Bob's just shy. 706 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,460 He's just shy, and there's nothing wrong with that, right? 707 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:04,460 Right. 708 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:06,860 Did you believe she'd had a demonic encounter? 709 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:11,540 She went in perfectly sane and came out best friends with the corpse. 710 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,620 That's how possession works. 711 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,560 You can't rule out demons. 712 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:15,700 Yes, you can. 713 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,260 Nolan, look at this. 714 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:22,600 Six, six, six, six, just like Zuzu said. 715 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,300 It was a weird coincidence. 716 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,820 It was a weird coincidence. 717 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:34,040 We found quite a cocktail of drugs in your system. 718 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,280 I don't do drugs. 719 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,880 Does pot count? 720 00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:40,180 No, we're talking about powerful hallucinogens. 721 00:28:40,180 --> 00:28:41,240 I'm not hallucinating. 722 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,240 I'm not hallucinating. 723 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,400 Ask Bob. 724 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,760 I had them run the test twice, and we found a similar cocktail in Officer Chen and Sergeant 725 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,100 Bradford. 726 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:53,300 Mercifully, none of the drugs were fat-soluble. 727 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Otherwise, department policy would have forced Sergeant Bradford and Officer Chen into medical 728 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,060 retirement. 729 00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:03,340 Is that what killed Bob, whatever drug they were exposed to? 730 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680 No, he was shot six times in the chest. 731 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:08,980 Did you get an ID on the body? 732 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,420 His name was Bob Medina, a friend reporting him missing about six months ago. 733 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,840 He was a private investigator. 734 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,420 What was his connection to the hospital? 735 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:17,420 At first, we couldn't find one. 736 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,760 So, to be clear, there was now a third killer associated with that location? 737 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,540 At this point, it can't be a coincidence. 738 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:27,300 There has to be something about that facility that drives people towards homicides. 739 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,300 Uh, that's a stretch and a half. 740 00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:32,280 Westview is a hospital for the mentally ill and the criminally insane. 741 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,000 Novak was a patient, Glass was there looking for a patsy, and whoever killed Bob saw an 742 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,140 abandoned building and was like, that's a perfect place to dump a body. 743 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,400 What? 744 00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:46,360 Or there was some dark energy that drew evil to it. 745 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,780 You really believe that? 746 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,080 I'm Catholic. 747 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,160 I was raised on demons in the battle against Satan's minions. 748 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,820 Well, I was raised on the scientific method. 749 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,340 Okay, so if it's also explainable, spend the night there. 750 00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,440 I dare you. 751 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,580 Pass. 752 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,160 You're scared. 753 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,620 No, I'm not scared. 754 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,160 One could argue the drugs in the hospital are hardly surprising, even hallucinogens. 755 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,520 Over the decades, they have been used in experimental medicine. 756 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,000 No, true. 757 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,140 Uh, just the type and volume is what set up. 758 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:15,560 What are you doing? 759 00:30:16,820 --> 00:30:17,700 Conducting an interview. 760 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:19,440 Could you please come back in like an hour? 761 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800 You said you'd talk to me for my documentary. 762 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,480 You have a documentary? 763 00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:24,700 Well, it's my story. 764 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Who better to tell it? 765 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:26,460 Well, no problem. 766 00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:28,800 I can sit down with you just as soon as we're done here. 767 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Oh, I wish. 768 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:30,380 It has to be exclusive. 769 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,180 You can't do both. 770 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:33,100 She's right. 771 00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:33,940 It has to be exclusive. 772 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,020 Either you're doing my doc or you're doing hers, and we have a long history. 773 00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:39,120 I was almost his daughter-in-law, so suck it. 774 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,460 I'm going to have to go with her. 775 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:43,020 I'm sorry. 776 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:44,340 Seriously? 777 00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:46,180 I have a BAFTA. 778 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Okay. 779 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:48,920 Fine. 780 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,360 Let's wrap it up. 781 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:50,700 This way. 782 00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:51,340 The set's this way. 783 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:52,640 It's better lighting over there. 784 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,940 We got a great team. 785 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,120 We are going to need our mic back. 786 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:56,480 Yes. 787 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:57,420 Oh, yeah, of course. 788 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,140 We have our own. 789 00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:58,860 Sorry. 790 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,380 I'll see you guys around. 791 00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:01,360 Good luck. 792 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 What else I found inside the secret lab? 793 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,420 Oh, right. 794 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880 Well, you did find some paperwork. 795 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Explosive paperwork. 796 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:11,880 Evidence of a secret government program. 797 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,980 Close the door softly, please. 798 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,900 Well, I don't know that we can say that for sure. 799 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Oh, we could. 800 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,320 My name is Abigail Tierney. 801 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,840 I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric. 802 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280 All attempts at escape have proven fruitless. 803 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920 If I'm going to die here, I leave you this footage, 804 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,380 along with my in-process documentary, 805 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360 as evidence of my hunt for the truth 806 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,640 about the evils that inhabit this accursed place. 807 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:41,820 What's this? 808 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:44,900 Cool. 809 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,940 That's when I realized I'd uncovered something more haunting 810 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:49,820 than any ghost or serial killer. 811 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,120 I'd uncovered a conspiracy 812 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,140 that went to the very highest levels of our government. 813 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,980 The government files Abigail found 814 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:01,700 detailed classified plans 815 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,440 and methods for human experimentation. 816 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,180 What type of experimentation? 817 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:08,320 Are you familiar with MKUltra? 818 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,060 Of course. 819 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:10,780 It was a top-secret CIA program 820 00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:12,140 in the 50s and 60s, 821 00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:13,900 using experimental drugs 822 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:15,400 to aid in interrogation techniques. 823 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:16,920 It was straight-up mind control. 824 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,240 I mean, they used high doses 825 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,260 of psychoactive drugs like LSD, 826 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:21,340 sodium pentothal, 827 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:23,400 which is also known as a truth serum. 828 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,440 The program ran from 1953 to 1973, 829 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:31,220 before it was shut down following a public outcry. 830 00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:33,100 I mean, all the facilities were closed. 831 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:35,600 There's no evidence the CIA ever used Westview 832 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,700 as a base of operations, 833 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,620 so what were top-secret MKUltra documents doing there? 834 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,680 Good question. 835 00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:44,200 We started digging into the trova files Abigail had found, 836 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320 and one name kept popping up again and again. 837 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,060 Dr. Julius Erickson. 838 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,840 He was one of these psychologists 839 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,320 contracted by the CIA 840 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,980 to conduct experimental research. 841 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,280 And after MKUltra shut down, 842 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,600 he took a new job. 843 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,100 Director of Westview. 844 00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,920 Dr. Erickson ran the hospital for 20 years, 845 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,380 and from the notes we uncovered, 846 00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:06,380 it seems clear he continued 847 00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:07,520 his own research in private, 848 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,000 trying to use the psychological breakthroughs 849 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,300 from MKUltra to further his own research 850 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:13,880 into mind-altering drugs. 851 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160 I assume he used those drugs on Westview patients? 852 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,500 Yeah, at first. 853 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,440 But then he started using them on himself, 854 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,760 believing he had found the key 855 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,140 to improving his own mind. 856 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:22,880 He hadn't. 857 00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:25,120 And in a last moment of lucidity, 858 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,720 Erickson decided to destroy his research. 859 00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:29,540 He dumped the chemicals outside the building, 860 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,860 where they started to slowly seep into the structure. 861 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,820 And some of the drugs were potent enough 862 00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:35,780 to be absorbed simply by touch, 863 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:37,060 even when diluted. 864 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:39,760 Erickson committed himself to Westview shortly after. 865 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,200 Never said another word. 866 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:43,020 He died in 2020. 867 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Did the CIA ever find out what Erickson was doing? 868 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,260 Not that we've found, 869 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,680 but it's not like the agency 870 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,520 ever returns our phone calls. 871 00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:54,120 Anyone who's studied the past 872 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,500 knows that the CIA has a history of violent cover-ups. 873 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,920 MKUltra might have become public, 874 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,260 but that doesn't mean there still aren't secrets to protect. 875 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,620 By uncovering Dr. Erickson's connection to Westview 876 00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:07,720 and discovering Bob's body, 877 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,800 I've put myself in danger. 878 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,160 But the best way to protect yourself 879 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,600 is with the truth. 880 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,240 Which brings me to Carolyn McGrath. 881 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:19,340 Turns out Carolyn is the one who hired Bob 882 00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:20,180 to go to Westview, 883 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:21,840 and I need to find out why 884 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,180 before it's too late. 885 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:34,160 What the hell? 886 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,860 We got lucky. 887 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:39,420 A woman in the neighborhood heard a commotion 888 00:34:39,420 --> 00:34:41,680 and filmed Abigail's abduction. 889 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:42,640 Thanks to them, 890 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:43,720 we were able to track the vehicle. 891 00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:44,480 Where'd it go? 892 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:45,820 Back to where it all began. 893 00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:47,300 Westview. 894 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:54,380 Police! 895 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,220 Drop the weapon. 896 00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:55,920 On the ground. 897 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,900 Hands on your head. 898 00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:58,860 Turn around. 899 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:00,460 Walk towards my partner. 900 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,700 Hands behind your back. 901 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:03,400 You okay? 902 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,520 Yeah, totally fine. 903 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,720 Carl's going through it, though. 904 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:08,760 God never really even knew my mother. 905 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:09,460 Does anyone? 906 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:09,940 Really? 907 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,760 What is going on here? 908 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,680 Well, uh, my friend Carl here 909 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,660 was being pressured into killing me. 910 00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:17,700 Um, but then we got to talking, right? 911 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,020 Yeah, and I couldn't. 912 00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:19,260 Yeah. 913 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,460 We keep pressured by who? 914 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,240 Um, my boss. 915 00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:24,520 Meg Davidson. 916 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,280 Who? 917 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:27,980 The current director at Westview Psychiatric. 918 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:32,540 But she started working at the hospital 919 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:34,820 long after Julius Erickson went mad, 920 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,200 and she has no links to the CIA, 921 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,180 so why would she try to kill Abigail? 922 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,640 To cover up Bob's murder. 923 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,040 And who killed Bob? 924 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,080 Can you introduce yourself? 925 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,040 Oh, yes. 926 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:45,380 My name is Caroline McGrath. 927 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,220 You hired my friend, Bob Medina, 928 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,820 because you had questions 929 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,220 about your friend Winona's treatment 930 00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:52,040 at Westview, right? 931 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:52,760 Yes. 932 00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:53,760 Of course, everyone thought 933 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,780 I was just being paranoid, 934 00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:55,900 but Bob didn't. 935 00:35:57,140 --> 00:35:58,240 And it got him killed. 936 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:00,180 You work with Winona Baker, right? 937 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:00,680 Yes. 938 00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:02,780 Um, she was hospitalized 939 00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:04,620 with depression by her daughter. 940 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,440 Seemed like therapy 941 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,900 and some medication would help her, 942 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,180 but Winona got worse fast. 943 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,920 Lost track of reality. 944 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:16,960 She exhibited signs of psychosis, 945 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,780 paranoia, dissociation. 946 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:19,920 By that point, 947 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,280 I wondered whether a transfer 948 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,240 to a new facility 949 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,680 might be in her best interest. 950 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,360 And then? 951 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,560 Uh, the director informed me 952 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,580 that Winona's family 953 00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:28,740 had gotten a judge 954 00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:30,020 to order a conservatorship 955 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:31,780 and they wanted her to stay 956 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:32,700 for good. 957 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,760 You were suspicious. 958 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,700 Winona always had her funks, 959 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,100 but she wasn't crazy 960 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,360 until that place 961 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,300 made her lose her mind. 962 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:41,360 And that proved to be 963 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,100 the break you needed. 964 00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:43,460 Yeah, when we started 965 00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:44,440 looking into it, 966 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,320 it turned out 967 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,520 a significant number 968 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,740 of Westview patients 969 00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:48,640 were wealthy, 970 00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:50,020 and a high percentage 971 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:50,820 were ordered 972 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:52,100 into conservatorship. 973 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,660 You know, conservatorship 974 00:36:53,660 --> 00:36:54,940 is extremely difficult 975 00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:55,920 to get for an adult 976 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,980 because of the potential 977 00:36:56,980 --> 00:36:58,220 abuse of power. 978 00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:59,480 It gives one party 979 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,240 legal authority 980 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,720 over certain aspects 981 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:02,560 of another person's life, 982 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:03,340 including managing 983 00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:04,060 all of their assets. 984 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:05,360 It's like what happened 985 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,040 to Britney Spears. 986 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,540 Manage their assets. 987 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:08,780 Rich persons speak 988 00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:09,340 for controlling 989 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:10,140 someone else's money. 990 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,360 Yes. 991 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,020 And money makes people 992 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:14,500 do crazy things. 993 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:15,880 Like, um, 994 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,720 poison their family member's 995 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,120 water with a chemical cocktail 996 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,580 so potent it has the potential 997 00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:21,640 to permanently damage 998 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,400 the human psyche? 999 00:37:25,060 --> 00:37:25,540 Yeah. 1000 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,900 Just like that. 1001 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,920 I was supposed to inherit, 1002 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:30,900 but, um, 1003 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,280 after my break with reality, 1004 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:35,840 my dad cut me off 1005 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,360 and, uh, 1006 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,160 my brother got everything. 1007 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:38,040 What's everything? 1008 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:39,760 Oh, about, um, 1009 00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:40,620 $12 million. 1010 00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:42,140 Must have been hard 1011 00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:43,160 going from that kind of wealth 1012 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,800 to nannying. 1013 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,620 Oh, no. 1014 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:46,060 No, it was a blessing. 1015 00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:47,100 I... 1016 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,460 I really think 1017 00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:49,400 that helping children 1018 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,120 was my calling. 1019 00:37:51,580 --> 00:37:52,940 Once we found the pattern, 1020 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,820 we started interviewing 1021 00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:54,660 some of the families. 1022 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:55,620 A little pressure 1023 00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:56,540 and they cracked. 1024 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,760 And with the search warrant, 1025 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,820 we found the gun 1026 00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:00,080 used to kill Bob Adina 1027 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,540 and director Davidson's closet. 1028 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,460 She'd been running 1029 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,200 her scam for a decade. 1030 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,260 Turns out she was 1031 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:06,800 Dr. Erickson's therapist 1032 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,080 in the last years 1033 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,880 of his life. 1034 00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:10,040 He must have told her 1035 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,740 about his experiments. 1036 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,940 In exploring his old lab, 1037 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:14,720 she'd uncovered 1038 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,620 the tainted water, 1039 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,160 realized its potential. 1040 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,260 Yeah, we had her on 1041 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:20,140 murder, fraud, 1042 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,060 elder abuse, 1043 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,740 kidnapping, 1044 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:22,880 attempted murder, 1045 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,440 poisoning. 1046 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,540 Miss Davidson, 1047 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:24,980 would you like 1048 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:25,560 to make a comment? 1049 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,460 You know, 1050 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:27,920 this might be 1051 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,820 your last chance 1052 00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:29,600 to tell your side 1053 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,100 of the story. 1054 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,580 Hey, look at all 1055 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:33,240 these people watching. 1056 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,420 The state ordered 1057 00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:36,600 a full investigation 1058 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,000 into every conservatorship 1059 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,760 Westview ordered. 1060 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,580 God willing, 1061 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,580 the victims will get 1062 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:42,200 their rights and assets back. 1063 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,320 And Westview itself 1064 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,520 has been closed for good. 1065 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:46,160 But the lawsuits 1066 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:46,960 are just starting, 1067 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:47,640 not to mention 1068 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,280 the rest of the 1069 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,140 legal ramifications. 1070 00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:50,980 I'm glad this is 1071 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:51,940 getting so much attention. 1072 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,200 These poor, 1073 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,980 abused patients 1074 00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:56,100 can finally get justice. 1075 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:56,740 Do you think 1076 00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:57,520 it could impact 1077 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,160 your case at all? 1078 00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:59,680 Certainly gives my defense 1079 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,580 a fresh coat of paint. 1080 00:39:01,420 --> 00:39:02,480 The jury won't listen 1081 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,000 to reason 1082 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,080 because I am innocent. 1083 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:06,860 Perhaps they will listen 1084 00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:08,220 to the tragic story 1085 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:09,560 of a simple tradesman 1086 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,420 falling victim 1087 00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:12,940 to a poisoned environment 1088 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:14,680 that chemically 1089 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,660 affected my psyche. 1090 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:18,060 And what did 1091 00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:19,020 that environment 1092 00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:19,900 make you do? 1093 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:20,760 Who can say? 1094 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:22,100 Certainly not me. 1095 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,380 I wasn't in my right mind. 1096 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,100 Yeah, the poisoned water 1097 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,680 was only found 1098 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,720 in the abandoned psych ward. 1099 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,780 No vending machines 1100 00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:32,960 left to fill there, right? 1101 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,620 At this point, 1102 00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:35,600 I must confess, 1103 00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:38,000 I did go inside 1104 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:38,880 that abandoned ward 1105 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,160 back when I was a kid. 1106 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,860 My father's warnings, 1107 00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:43,840 they didn't scare me away. 1108 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,620 They only made me 1109 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:45,860 more desperate to see. 1110 00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,680 And whatever lurked inside 1111 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,340 must have infected me. 1112 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:58,480 Glasser's claiming 1113 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,280 that the presence 1114 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,240 of those drugs 1115 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,280 would absolve him 1116 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,540 of any alleged responsibility 1117 00:40:02,540 --> 00:40:03,260 for the murders. 1118 00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:04,040 There's no way 1119 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,020 that defense is gonna work. 1120 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:05,740 We have Glasser 1121 00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:06,300 dead to rights. 1122 00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:07,660 Are you sure about that? 1123 00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:10,840 Yeah. 1124 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,740 Mm-hmm. 1125 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:24,420 Hey, hey. 1126 00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:25,680 Sorry, I know 1127 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,340 we talked about me 1128 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:27,640 not recording interviews 1129 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,020 in here, 1130 00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,400 but Raj mentioned 1131 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,220 he needed a space 1132 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:31,980 with great acoustics. 1133 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:32,600 And, um, 1134 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:33,040 and you know, 1135 00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:33,540 we're actin' 1136 00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:34,160 we're shuttin' it down. 1137 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,140 We're shuttin' it down. 1138 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,420 Shut it, shut it down. 1139 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:36,880 Shutting it down. 1140 00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:37,200 Copy? 1141 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:39,960 Hi, sorry. 1142 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,800 She said this was cool. 1143 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,640 You're gonna help me 1144 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,280 get these in the van, right? 1145 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,440 Yeah, I'll be right there. 1146 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,160 Next time, 1147 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,040 handcuffs and squad cars. 1148 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,640 Yeah, totally understandable. 1149 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,500 Thanks again for going 1150 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:54,280 exclusive with me. 1151 00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:55,080 Seriously, 1152 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,340 this talk is gonna be huge. 1153 00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:57,600 I hope so. 1154 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,900 You deserve something good 1155 00:40:58,900 --> 00:40:59,940 after what you've been through. 1156 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,460 How you holdin' up? 1157 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,660 Oh, I'm fine. 1158 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:04,180 I'm happy to have 1159 00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:05,320 something to focus on. 1160 00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:06,660 When I've been through 1161 00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:07,640 some scary times, 1162 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,000 I have been guilty 1163 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,680 of using my work 1164 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,620 as my therapy, 1165 00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:12,360 but if there's 1166 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,500 ever a time 1167 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:13,900 you need someone 1168 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:14,760 to talk to... 1169 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,620 Thank you, really, 1170 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,560 but I already have 1171 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,860 a great therapist. 1172 00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,240 One with zero history 1173 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:19,720 at Westview. 1174 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,440 Excellent. 1175 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,420 You know, 1176 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:23,920 there's still something 1177 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,740 I can't figure out. 1178 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,320 How did you know 1179 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,580 that the P.I. 1180 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,020 was working 1181 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:29,120 for Caroline McGrath? 1182 00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:31,000 Oh, Bob told me 1183 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,660 while we were 1184 00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:32,500 stuck in the lab. 1185 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,200 He got chatty 1186 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,040 once he opened up. 1187 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,540 I have that effect 1188 00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:36,960 on people. 1189 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,300 We have to come back 1190 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:41,000 because our job 1191 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,700 isn't finished. 1192 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:42,420 This hospital 1193 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:43,220 has housed killers, 1194 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,160 evil experiments, 1195 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:44,920 and perhaps 1196 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,820 the supernatural. 1197 00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:47,800 Our job as investigators 1198 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,540 is to collect 1199 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:49,740 and present questions 1200 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:50,840 and possibilities. 1201 00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:52,700 Interpretation, however, 1202 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,800 solely belongs with you. 1203 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,740 Did Westview really... 1204 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,540 Should we check that out?